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Got it! Thanks for clarifying. I’m guessing that this new list was generated (via your second link) by doing a compare between Bruce McC and Hugh (Bigod) le Bigod?
I’m having a little difficulty following how all these relate.
The first link is an interesting article on Janet Stewart, whose daughter married both a Montrose and another Stewart. But no clear connection to McCandlesses. She and her issue don’t seem to appear in the lineage list in the third link.
The second link is to a lineage comparison tool at WikiTree, but I’m not sure who we’re supposed to be comparing.
The third link has a McCandless/McCanles (notables: David Colbert McCanles, Byron & Bruce McCandless, etc.) female-line ancestry going back quite a ways, and may help explain various claims over the years relating to Gordon and Campbell clan connections, and has Stewarts/Stuarts in there again, but I’m not seeing a connection to the Janet Stewart in the first link.
I checked out the “Robert de Vere (abt. 1240 – bef. 1296)” entry and “Joan (de Vere) de Warenne (abt. 1264 – bef. 1293)” entry at the third link, but no “explore more” option is available there. Maybe I just don’t know enough about the WikiTree site yet.
More late 2023 intel, from a professional kiltmaker: I’ve been informed that D.C. Dalgliesh is even more backlogged than was thought, because they lost several of their key weavers (not to death!), and are having to train new people. I’ve experienced something like a 6-month delay already without any indication when they’ll actually get my cloth done. The kiltmaker just says we have to be patient as they work through their backlog.
I’ve also learned, however, that Clan.com is not entirely dependent on this woolen mill at all; they’re owned by the same parent company now, but Clan.com uses multiple weavers to supply their orders, so getting a kilt from them should not involve such a long delay.
UPDATE 2023-08-141: Clan.com now lists McCandlish tartans (all of them, even in three “modern”, “ancient”, and “reproduction” colour palettes each) as available to order directly, either as cloth or as kilts and other clothing. It is not actually kept in stock, so it is a custom weave (through D.C. Dalgliesh who are now owned by Clan.com AKA Scotweb). It is not dirt-cheap, but at about US$1,027 for an 8-yard kilt (probably plus tax and shipping) it is actually the most cost-effective way to get a McCandlish kilt as of 2023. (On average, a proper kilt of this sort in non-custom tartan is around $450ā$800 depending on vendor. Poly-viscose “sport” kilts are much cheaper, but I have yet to find any vendor that will produce McC tartan in that material, short of ordering a full bolt of it ā 40 to 100 yards ā at great expense.)
Peter, thanks for the details (via the Contact form) about the Arthur book. I’ve added an entry to the “Notables” page for Margaret Ann McCandless (Fulton), after some additional digging around about the book. Also updated the “Unverified Claims” page with info about your visit confirming some of S.A.McC.’s genealogical and residential info in N. Irl.
Unlike C. E. McCandless (who changed names, merged or omitted generations in some family lines, etc.), I think S.A. McCandless did a remarkable job on her own genealogy. What concerns me (as outlined on the “Unverified Claims” page) are the number of very bold claims (Highlands origin, a chieftainship, major landholdings, particular clan connections, a castle that went into Chancery ca. 1890s, a Gen. McCandless in PA, etc.) for which there is no evidence yet outside of S. A. McCandless’s own assertions. I think her claims (aside from the outright wrong linguistic ones) should not be dismissed out of hand, but subjected to some future research. I would really like them to be proven correct. (One of the reasons I think a family association is needed is to organize and fundraise for a genealogical/historical fact-finding trip. In 30+ years, I have not gotten any closer to verifying’s S.A. McCandless’s ideas; it’s probably going to take boots on the ground in Scotland.)
Arthur’s Rest: Could you please provide the full publication details? I’d love to be able to add the author to the “Notables” page.
Yes, we’re basically needing to corral some people to act as a board of directors and fill some legally required (though low-workload) volunteer positions including a treasurer (files the annual tax paperwork) and secretary (records the required minutes at annual meetings). So, probably not the average person wants to volunteer for that. I know having worked with some previous non-profits that it’s best if would-be boardmembers are also willing to contribute financially or do some fundraising, though a family association like this should have very low expenses (at first, just web-hosting costs and the incorporation fees).
Thank you for clearing that up! I’ll remove the section on the heraldry page.
Ben, at this early stage it’s not really clear what needs to be done. I have a “hit list” above of some technical matters to deal with, like fixing McC tartan listings in some databases, but for organizing an actual family association what we probably need is additional interested parties, including someone with some experience setting up a not-for-profit organization.
> Iād be more than happy to share the story of how this all came together and what pitfalls exist (and how we tried to avoid them).
That would be great, and is just what this topic is for. š
I’m in process of getting some stuff made myself, and will be documenting that, too.
Welcome, and thanks for the kind words. š
Would be great to see some kilt pics! I’m glad someone besides me got McC kilts made. I’m in process of getting another, in a muted palette of the green version, but it’s going to take months.
Thanks for the correction, Peter. I’ll get on fixing that right away!
Long-term goals of other clan/family societies, with significant funding that might be out of the reach of a small family association with few members:
- Sponsor Highland-dance and pipe-and-drum teams.
- Host an annual general meeting or gathering, around one of the Highland games events (formal dinner, etc.)
- Set up a scholarship fund.
- Set up a charitable foundation aside from scholarships.
- Establish a genealogy research centre/library, and a genealogical database. Ex.: https://clanblair.org/cbs-library. Some books to get: https://worldcat.org/identities/viaf-316576872/
- Start a genetic (DNA) genealogy project: see examples: http://clanarthur.org/arthur-dna-project/, https://www.clanchisholmsociety.org/public/dna.php, https://clancarruthers.com/y-dna-project/; see also: https://isogg.org/wiki/Beginners’_guides_to_genetic_genealogy
- Paid executive director responsible for fundraising, etc.
- Establish an ancestral lands trust (if any ancestral lands are ever identified).
